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Mississippi Personhood amendment
The Mississippi Personhood amendment is an extra dose of scary.
On the other hand, I've long argued that if you feel that abortion is murder, then you should absolutely be prepared to jail doctors and women (and nurses as accessory) for the full jail-term required. That no exceptions should be made for the health of the mother, and that no exceptions should be made for victims of rape or incest. No birth control beyond condoms or pulling out (we all know how well that works!) I seem to recall also a proposal that all miscarriages had to be reported for investigation, perhaps in VA? Absolutely, because you know, if you've smoked or had alcohol or taken any kind of medication or undertaken any kind of plausibly hazardous activity, then you should probably be up on manslaughter charges, if I understand how the law treats killing with intent vs. killing kinda sorta accidentally.
Black and white logic, if that is your belief than those should be the consequences.
I happen to *not* believe that, personally, and I'd be surprised if the Hive Mind were too far apart from my thoughts on the issues.
Anyone here in Mississippi or in a state considering this?
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Permalink Reply by ks on -
I live in Ohio. They haven't done it here yet, but there is apparently quite an effort to get something like that done. There isn't enough profanity in the world to express my particular feelings about it, though.
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Permalink Reply by ruth on -
I could say exactly what ks said except substitute Pennsylvania for Ohio. PA is a very conservative state outside of the 2 major metro areas and I wouldn't be at all surprised to see something similar to the Mississippi bill introduced here at some point. It's terrifying and infuriating.
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Permalink Reply by Floor Pie on -
I remember Colorado had a "fetal personhood" thing on the ballot a few years ago, which lost. Can't quite believe all the energy legislators are still pouring into this when we've clearly got bigger fish to fry. Jobs, anyone?
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Permalink Reply by kommishoner on -
No jobs. Uteruses!
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Permalink Reply by kommishoner on
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In all seriousness, I hadn't heard about Mississippi's amendment. The notion of fetal personhood gets kicked around quite a bit and has for a long time (for awhile it was via prosecuting drug-using women (but only certain women using certain drugs (meaning black women using crack)) for things like "drug trafficking to a minor" and then for awhile it was via homicide laws that treated the murder of a pregnant woman as a murder of two people). It makes me mad and want to kick things, but I'm not sure whether fetal personhood laws hold much constitutional water. I can't think of one that's been successful, but I admit to not being super up on it.
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Permalink Reply by Herasmus B. Dragon on
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It will be knocked down by challenging lawsuits, but by then those legislators will have been reelected by the conservatives in their state. While a whole bunch of poor women who can't afford birth control because they have no income to buy it an no Planned Parenthood to provide it will be birthing babies and needing welfare, and will suffer being called a drain on society.
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Permalink Reply by mightyninjamom on -
It's this kind of shit that makes me want to go to town on my legislators with a baseball bat. I'm disgusted by it, quite frankly. As someone who has had to be in a position to consider abortion for health reasons, I really resent it when this kind of crap gets thrown around by people who have no concept of what it's like to have to do so. And is this really the discussion we need to be having right now? Really? Seriously?
kommishoner said:
No jobs. Uteruses!
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Permalink Reply by SweetJudyB on -
Always seems like politicians who focus on anti-abortion laws "love the fetus, but hate the child". All for forcing women to give birth, but no help once the baby arrives. Disgusting.
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Permalink Reply by mcglory13 on -
Peta just filed a lawsuit claiming orcas in captivity are essentially slaves, and the thirteenth amendment doesn't specify only human animals can't be enslaved. I know you all hate PETA.
BUT-- an orca is as intelligent as a 3-4 year old human. Which is... quite a bit more intelligent than a fetus. Yet, the orca slavery thing is never gonna fly.
World is crazy.
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Permalink Reply by wookie on -
In terms of the timing of the amendment, I'm pretty sure "kick the people who will be affected by this while they're too busy trying to survive in this economy" is fantastic timing if you want it passed. If the people who would normally be protesting this are busy working 3 jobs they don't have time to fight you and you can slide it right in there. But I'm a total pessimist.
I wouldn't say I hate PETA, just that they have questionable methods and logic. In my opinion. Which is also rarely flawless and logical.
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Permalink Reply by DLBK on -
I start daydreaming of baseball bats when I hear this crap, too. Fetal personhood is an idiotic idea. My 21 week old fetus isn't a person; he's a fetus and he doesn't have the same rights I do. He can have those rights when he's not inside my body anymore.
Investigating women for miscarriages would be the cherry on top of the misery of losing a wanted pregnancy. Seriously. I can't even think of it.mightyninjamom said:
It's this kind of shit that makes me want to go to town on my legislators with a baseball bat. I'm disgusted by it, quite frankly. As someone who has had to be in a position to consider abortion for health reasons, I really resent it when this kind of crap gets thrown around by people who have no concept of what it's like to have to do so. And is this really the discussion we need to be having right now? Really? Seriously?
kommishoner said:
No jobs. Uteruses!
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Permalink Reply by MamatothaMax on -
Whats makes this bill even worse is that it claims life begins at fertilization essentially banning forms of hormonal birth control.
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